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Re: SSGS APPLICATION

Post by Lethal-Force on Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:57 pm

camrox92 wrote:As tempting as it is I will not get involved in this arty discussion.
But Camrox, arty takes so much skill!!!! you have to really put a lot of brain power into knowing how to click your mouse, or if the red tonks are the bad tonks, and knowing what shift does!!
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Post by Tsupernami on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:43 am

So in summary, those against arty:
> it's easy. Just point and click anywhere on the map. No need to think.

For arty:
> it's no different. Point and click and anything you see.

My final argument is why are the majority of games played by almost everyone in non-arty tanks? Human nature is to play what is easy. COD players run around with a knife. Same reason everyone bought a type-59 to make easy cash.

If artillery was so easy to play, you'd see so much more of it.
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Post by DarrikVkir on Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:50 am

Tsuper summed it up nicely.  The idea that arty takes less skill is popular, but baseless.  Different skill, perhaps.

Bing, don't push it on the Ford thing.  And somehow you included all imports?  I understand the Honda/'rice rocket' comment, but all imports?  Really?  What's that leave, GMC and Chrysler?  Don't make me smack you.

Those who object to having this discussion on an application thread haven't been paying attention to every other decent application thread out there.

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Post by Tsupernami on Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:54 am

We used to measure the likelihood of an application being successful on how off topic it actually went.
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Post by ComradeBrad on Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:26 am

Tsupernami wrote:We used to measure the likelihood of an application being successful on how off topic it actually went.

Well this guy is totally getting in then.
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Post by Lethal-Force on Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:31 am

Tsupernami wrote:
If artillery was so easy to play, you'd see so much more of it.
so 3-4-5 arty ever single match is less?

and you do, 4-5 games i play have 3+ arty, 2 of those have 4 arty.

rip
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Post by shadistic on Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:35 pm

Lethal-Force wrote:
Tsupernami wrote:
If artillery was so easy to play, you'd see so much more of it.
so 3-4-5 arty ever single match is less?

and you do, 4-5 games i play have 3+ arty, 2 of those have 4 arty.

rip

You average 3-4-5 arty per team the same way my damage per battle averages 1.5x my HP.
That is, we like to think it happens all the time, but over any given span it's just what we remember most.

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Post by ComradeBrad on Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:36 pm

Not an idiot, just failed to elaborate on his point.

2 or 3 arty per game is quite a lot to see, considering that only 5 of the 34 vehicle lines are SPG, and there hasn't been a new SPG line in a long time. Furthermore there are effectively no premium (or reward) SPGs.
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Post by Tsupernami on Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:50 pm

In my opinion I rarely see more than 1-2 arty per game and even some times there aren't any.

Also, what happened to Darrik's post?
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Post by puppet_boy on Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:55 pm

Tsupernami wrote:In my opinion I rarely see more than 1-2 arty per game and even some times there aren't any.
You lucky shit, Ever since i started playing again 2 days ago i have had 3-5 arty a game....
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Post by DarrikVkir on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:39 pm

Tsupernami wrote:Also, what happened to Darrik's post?

No idea.  I didn't delete it.  Shad probably.

Brad, keep in mind.  There are 5 vehicle classes.  15 tanks per side.  An average of 2-3 arty per side is less than there should be if there were an equal number of people playing arty as any other class. (Average should be 3).  Which is a good thing, since anything more than 3 arty does tend to turn into a camping match.

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Post by Lethal-Force on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:43 pm

DarrikVkir wrote:
Tsupernami wrote:Also, what happened to Darrik's post?

No idea.  I didn't delete it.  Shad probably.

Brad, keep in mind.  There are 5 vehicle classes.  15 tanks per side.  An average of 2-3 arty per side is less than there should be if there were an equal number of people playing arty as any other class. (Average should be 3).  Which is a good thing, since anything more than 3 arty does tend to turn into a camping match.

We can all hope that one day they will separate scouts and light tanks, and make lights to to tier 10, like what they have done with arty.

also - 

I just want it to go back to the way it used to be, you know when there was 1 maybe 2 arty per match, then maybe I wouldn't die so much.

It's like BF3 pre-patched mortar spam right now.
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Post by camrox92 on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:45 pm

You hear a lot of good players bitch about getting shot by arty because of players like this:
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A player that would do zero damage to me in any other tank can now do damage to me without any retaliation. This is the biggest problem with arty and you can see why it gets the reputation as skill-less.

Almost every super unicum complains about arty. I'd venture to say that players who don't get shot by arty enough to bitch about it may be doing something differently from the players that do. Such as playing less effectively.

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Post by DarrikVkir on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:37 pm

Lethal-Force wrote:I just want it to go back to the way it used to be, you know when there was 1 maybe 2 arty per match, then maybe I wouldn't die so much.

It's like BF3 pre-patched mortar spam right now.

You know it was only 1-2 arty per match when they nerfed arty so hard that almost everyone except the great arty players completely stopped playing them?

Cam, everyone bitches about arty.  I certainly did when I got hit.  However, I was aware of why I got hit, as should any super-unicom.  I'd assume you mean by your statement about super unicoms hating arty being that they could have even better stats if they didn't have to worry about that aspect of the game.

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Post by Tsupernami on Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:07 pm

This is going nowhere.

Also, didn't think shad had permissions to do that, so just Gates/Mass?
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Post by shadistic on Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:45 pm

It is a good point that SPGs are used more than proportional for their lines. Then again, the age of the lines is partly the reason for it, (newer lines mean less people having started down them) and duplicate heavy/medium/TD lines in each nation could mean they're played less as well.

Also, I agree with Lethal in that 2 arty really is plenty. Honestly, 2 is usually enough to maximize angles covered round obstacles. Even from the arty's/ally's perspective, more than one arty set up in the same spot just means they compete for the same coverage.

@Tsuper, Darrik: I deleted the post. It's maybe the 3rd time I've ever done that, but a one-line flame with no substance has no reason to exist here.

@Camrox: I'm not sure what you're arguing with that pic. Most of those T10s don't have enough games to be statistically significant. Yes, the 261 does have a higher WN8 than the others, but that doesn't translate to a better winrate. Heck, he's still short of the damage it takes to kill a T10. If arty were a no-skill case, you'd expect WN8 and damage ratios to be very narrowly spread. They're more narrowly spread than any other class, but not drastically so.

The thing is, even arty players think arty needs to be reconfigured. Maybe I'll put it this way... if arty was that unbalanced, you'd think people would pad their stats with arty instead of autoloaders, top-DPM mediums, or turreted TDs.
Shit Nobody Says: "I play my arty to stat-pad."

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Post by Tsupernami on Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:55 am

On top of that, arty XP from matches is dire. Absolutely appalling. Not only did they nerf the class, they ruined any enjoyment with playing them. One of the few times I don't think they should have listened to the community.
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Post by DarrikVkir on Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:52 am

shadistic wrote:@Tsuper, Darrik: I deleted the post. It's maybe the 3rd time I've ever done that, but a one-line flame with no substance has no reason to exist here.

It made the point nicely, actually.  There was no reason to elaborate, because the point was obvious.  I actually had quite a bit more written out before I realized it was unnecessary Razz

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Post by NordicRose on Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:10 pm

Rather than have an SPG discussion let's focus on the applicant :3

1SHOT I would love to have more automotive enthusiasts in the group, by full race seasons do you mean that you actively race on a dirt or paved track/Road?
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Post by tsiakos24 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:51 pm

Im not going to bother with the arty bc ill just lose my shit based on some peoples pure stupidity. Arty takes skillz guis im also fucking from narnia where i fapp to lions on my free time ...
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Post by shadistic on Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:06 pm

Fair enough, instead of a one-line flame, a one-line instance of stating the obvious.


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Post by Tsupernami on Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:17 am

tsiakos24 wrote:Im not going to bother with the arty bc ill just lose my shit based on some peoples pure stupidity. Arty takes skillz guis im also fucking from narnia where i fapp to lions on my free time ...
I genuinely have no idea what this guy is on about.
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Post by Lethal-Force on Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:40 pm

Tsupernami wrote:
tsiakos24 wrote:Im not going to bother with the arty bc ill just lose my shit based on some peoples pure stupidity. Arty takes skillz guis im also fucking from narnia where i fapp to lions on my free time ...
I genuinely have no idea what this guy is on about.
No one does, it's taco.
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Post by xxPIRANHAxx on Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:37 pm

I'm a car freak. It's cool to see more of them in the community.
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Post by tsiakos24 on Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:42 am

Lethal-Force wrote:
Tsupernami wrote:
tsiakos24 wrote:Im not going to bother with the arty bc ill just lose my shit based on some peoples pure stupidity. Arty takes skillz guis im also fucking from narnia where i fapp to lions on my free time ...
I genuinely have no idea what this guy is on about.
No one does, it's taco.

Yea i was given the fucking honor of being named after a Mexican dish 

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